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Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 16:31:24 +0100 Subject:From: "alex templeton" To: mike@masino.com I want to buy some of your disappearing ink - can you tell me how long it takes to disappear and on what paper it should be used regards alex temeplton ps I am in London
From: Michael MasinoTo: a.templeton@virgin.net Subject: Re: Date: Thu, Jul 18, 2002, 2:12 am I must say that you have the honor of being the very first person to inquire about any of the various ideas I have posted on our website. To be honest, I've never much gotten past the R&D stage, so I haven't gotten to marketing or production.
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 09:31:05 +0100 Subject: Re:From: "alex templeton" To: Michael Masino well - we should talk!! I am an artist in London - and am doing a PHD at central st Martins. and have been trying to make a disappearing ink for about a year - fit in a Ink jet printer - it is very, very hard any ideas ?? kindest regards ! alex templeton
From: Michael MasinoTo: a.templeton@virgin.net Subject: Re: Date: Fri, Jul 19, 2002, 1:58 am Alex, Apologies for the last message, it was sent prematurely by accident... I was going to reply to your request for information about what type of paper, how long it takes to disapear, etc, so I will do so now... It's not a subject I thought too much about, to be honest. Invisible Ink would probably work best with paper that would absorb it somewhat. It might simply evaporate from glossy paper. As for disapearing ink, I am not really up on the exact science of it. There are lots of mis-named products which claim to be or include disappearing ink. Turns out, most are for what I would call invisible ink (though technically it disappears and can then be re-appeared... Anyway, if you are interested, I did look around a bit and find a recipe for what _I_ consider disappearing ink (see below)... As I understand it, you some solid molecules which have color when acidic or basic but are colorless when neutral, and some acid or base which will evaporate thus allowing the change. An example I read was thymophthalein, which is blue in solutions that are basic and is colorless under neutral conditions. When mixed with something like an alcohol (ethanol) it is blue until part of the solution evaporates and results in a neutral reside. Thus the thymophthalein is no longer experiencing basic conditions so it changes colors and "disappears". It was also mentioned that adding an acid (vinegar) will speed the color change and change color without part of it evaporating. So, for an inkjet cartridge you'd have to work out the right mix of base to allow to evaporate and solids. Not sure what consistency is required for the inkjet heads to be able to apply it, but maybe you could play with a neutral base to get the right consistency and then the base and "pigment" could be added to that. Anyway, I guess this just goes to show that I should really have put more thought into the matter. Out of curiousity, what did you think of the invisible ink(jet) cartridge? Or any of the other ideas? As a side note, my wife happens to be from England (from Dorset). I have been over a few times to visit her family, but have not yet spent any time in London (except, of course Terminal 4 at Heathrow). What are you working on for you PHD? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disappearing Ink Recipe Materials: 1/4 cup water, iodine, spray starch, disposable pie pan, cotton swab, white paper Procedure: Place the water and 5 drops of iodine in the pie pan. Spray starch in the pan by holding down the nozzle for 10 seconds. (Do this step outside.) Dip a cotton swab into the liquid and write a message on a white piece of paper. Watch the paper. Over the next few hours the message will disappear. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -Mike
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 12:23:11 +0100 Subject: Re:From: "alex templeton" To: Michael Masino Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020721123154.DAH24372.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@[62.253.73.66]> Dear Michael Yes it is so interesting, many things are called disappearing ink- but they seem to be unable to harness i.e. I need to find an ink that disappears within a set amount of time - not too quickly . For instance they just go immediately or they take years. I have not come across a disappearing ink that fades and then returns - as you mention. I would be interested in this ? do you know where you saw it ?? If you do have a recipe I would be most interested. it is wonderful to find someone who is equally fascinated with disappearing ink. I am amazed the world has not demanded it!! But trying to make an ink that cam go through an ink jet printer and will disappear in matter of hours or days ( preferably UV affected.) is very hard. Would be most interested in your suggestions. I have been looking along the irongall ink avenue - do you know it? thymophthalein,is something I looked at a while ago - but I moved away form it and I can't remember why ? Oh yes - because it is PH affected only and I need something that disappears as the book is read - so that is faded by light - essentially. I love Dorset - it is on of my favourite counties. I stay with friends every summer on their farm near Axminster and go to Beamster and Bridport regularly for the weekend. It is very beautiful and of course Thomas Hardy lived there. Do let me know if you have any revelations!! with best regards alex templeton
I seem to have lost my reply to this last message. Or perhaps I never got around to it. In any case, I have not heard back as of yet. I'd be interested to hear about Alex's progress...
This email was sent to every email address we advertised on the contact us page. Zoe actually replied and indicated that he should talk to me instead of her, but we never heard from him again...
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 08:11:50 -0600 From: Brian MurphySubject: Disappearing ink To: Organization: Chromatic Technologies, Inc. Hi Mike, I am looking for a source for disappearing ink. I am doing some research into the product. Any help you could provide would be appreciated. Take care, Brian J. Murphy Business Development Manager Chromatic Technologies, Inc. Phone (719) XXX-YYYY bmurphy@interactivecolors.com www.interactivecolors.com